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Hydriz> ok [13:13] I have to check the pages first Glavkos: I would need to take a look at the policy when it was changed yes, there was one wiki that changed to CC-BY-SA 3.0 [13:14] <Glavkos> ok please tell me the procedure and which wiki it was ... [13:15] <Hydriz> hold on I am checking... [13:18] Sorry, still looking I can't remember what it was called [13:21] <Glavkos> Bulgaria 2.5 <nataly8> μόνο 3 πύλες έμειναν <Glavkos> but in the bottom of the pages writes 3.0 [13:22] <Hydriz> ah ha found it hu.wikinews.org uses 3.0 wait, no oh, wait yes, hu.wikinews.org uses CC-BY 3.0 <Glavkos> Bosanski >GNU [13:23] ok...thank you <Hydriz> But I don't really know how they did it <Glavkos> how can we change it I see a confusion about the licenses [13:24] <Hydriz> hmm <Glavkos> Catala 2.5 <Hydriz> I don't know a lot about this, but I am searching for it <Glavkos> Czesky 2.5 [13:25] why some wikis follow 2.5 and some other do not ? [13:26] <Hydriz> only wikinews uses CC-BY-2.5 all other Wikimedia projects uses CC-BY-SA-3.0 [13:27] and, CC-BY-2.5 is the same as CC-BY-3.0 why do you guys want to change it? [13:31] -->| Dcoetzee (~chatzilla@wikimedia/Dcoetzee) has joined #wikinews-el <Hydriz> Glavkos: My friend here can help you regarding the change in license. <Dcoetzee> Hi all, what's up? [13:32] <Glavkos> hi <Hydriz> They wanted to change from their current CC-BY 2.5 to CC-BY 3.0 <Glavkos> Dcoetzee: how are you ? <Dcoetzee> That's... possible, but they should avoid stating that all their content is available under CC-BY 3.0. Unless they had an "or later" clause originally. <Glavkos> Hydriz: one member of the Greek community just put it for discussion... [13:33] <Hydriz> Glavkos: Dcoetzee can help you about the copyright He is much better than me about this <Glavkos> Hydriz: thank you Dcoetzee: I didn't get the point ... <Dcoetzee> Hold on [13:34] <Glavkos> our member argued that he will contribute with the 3.0 CC-BY license .... <Dcoetzee> Glavkos: When you edit a page right now on #wikinews-el, what does the copyright agreement the editor agrees to say? Translate it for me. [13:35] *on el.wikinews I mean. <Glavkos> ok [13:36] All the contribs to Wikinews are regarded that they are released under the CC-BY 2.5 [13:37] and then the disclaimer <Dcoetzee> Okay. It's totally okay to change from CC-BY 2.5 to CC-BY 3.0, but you should realise that your content will be a mixture of 2.5 and 3.0 content. I'm not sure what that implies for content reusers. <Glavkos> hmmmm...what is the disadvantage to that ? [13:38] <Dcoetzee> Well all it means is that reusers will have to follow the terms of *both* licenses. <Glavkos> oh <Dcoetzee> Which are pretty much the same. <Glavkos> this gets complicated <Dcoetzee> Yes... but upgrading to 3.0 is a good idea. [13:39] -->| PM|AFK (Pmlinedite@wikimedia/pmlineditor) has joined #wikinews-el <--| PM|AFK has left #wikinews-el <Glavkos> ok , but there is a risk the they will insert content from wikipedia <Dcoetzee> Wikipedia is CC-BY-SA 3.0, so it's already incompatible. [13:40] <Glavkos> what is the SA part...pls remind me ... <Dcoetzee> Share Alike. Derivative works must be released under the same license. <Glavkos> oh ... <Dcoetzee> If they change it, they have to license the changed version under CC-BY-SA 3.0 too. [13:41] <Glavkos> there is no such obligation for WN? <Dcoetzee> Right. <Glavkos> ok great now I have an argument <Dcoetzee> Unfortunately that means you can put Wikinews text on Wikipedia, but not put Wikipedia content on Wikinews. <Glavkos> I know that already [13:42] I translated the guidelines for the Greek wiki <Dcoetzee> Glavkos: Also, you should suggest to your members who are interested in releasing under CC-BY 3.0 that they can already do so with multilicensing. <Glavkos> so any WN license is incompatible with SA ? [13:43] <Dcoetzee> They can release under CC-BY 2.5 and CC-BY 3.0 both. <Glavkos> ok but never a CC-BY-CA So , just a summary if we turn to 3.0 [13:44] all the content will get multi licensed with both 2.5 and 3.0 cc-by [13:45] but SA is not acceptable ... <Dcoetzee> No Your existing content is forever CC-BY-2.5. Its license cannot be changed. <Glavkos> ok <Dcoetzee> If you change to 3.0, your future content will be CC-BY-3.0. [13:46] <Glavkos> ok I got it tell me now for SA <Dcoetzee> And so your site will have a mixture of CC-BY-2.5 and CC-BY-3.0 content. People who use your content must follow both licenses. [13:47] <Glavkos> but it is definite that we cann't turn to Share-Alike ....? [13:48] Dcoetzee: please answer to my last question ... <Dcoetzee> For SA, you cannot include CC-BY-SA content on Wikinews, before or ever. [13:49] <Glavkos> ok <Dcoetzee> Nothing you can do can change that, besides throwing out all your content and starting over. <Glavkos> no ...we do not want that ... nataly8: παρακολουθείς ; [13:50] <nataly8> παρακολουθώ γράφω <Glavkos> Dcoetzee: thank you very much You 've been very helpful <nataly8> τι έγινε τελικά; <Glavkos> nataly8: είπες ότι παρακολουθείς .. [13:51] <nataly8> ναι, αλλά όχι όλο το τελευταίο μέρος δεν το κατάλαβα <Dcoetzee> Np :-) Leave a message on User talk:Dcoetzee at enwiki if you want to follow up. <--| Dcoetzee has left #wikinews-el